As a journalist its probably wrong for me to say I told you so, but well, I called it didn’t I? When Tekken 6 was first announced to be multi-platform, media people who love to stir up console war nonsense suggested that Tekken 6 could not possibly be done on the Xbox 360 the same way it could be done on the Playstation 3. This was fueled by a Namco developer claiming that getting Tekken to run well on the 360 would be difficult.
I wrote a previous article listing facts as to how the once exclusive title could easily be rendered on the 360 with no problems. Of course not being in a position of authority my fact sheet in all of its factual glory was swiftly ignored, simply because a developer said one sentence that did not at all contradict my list of specs. This only goes to show that most people are too quick to take words as gospel instead of checking information for themselves.
Oddly enough after a mere few days after my reassurance of 360 owning Tekken fans a Tekken dev comes out to say that Tekken 6 will work just as well on the Xbox 360 as it will on the Playstation 3. Unfortunately my fact sheet got no credit or mention, but that’s alright as long 360 owners knew they weren’t getting the royal screw job that was okay by me.
Now here’s the real kicker, if you like the staff of GamingVice.net were at E3 last week you’ll notice something very interesting about the Xbox 360 version of Tekken 6. It is graphically better than its Playstation 3 counterpart. Am I happy about this? Not at all but I find it very ironic that after all this arguing over Tekken 6’s ability to even be on the 360, it looks better as the Playstation 3 version has jagged edges.
Perhaps next time the gaming masses won’t be so quick to dismiss factual evidence from a “random blogger” when he provides factual evidence. Perhaps people will be less likely to hang on the words of developers who have been known to lie to gamers numerous times over, leading them like sheep to false conclusions. I doubt this however, but on the bright side at least the 360 owners I tried to reassure in the first place are more than reassured.
Before anyone claims that I’m some sort of 360 fanboy, I’ll have Tekken 6 on both platforms, so feel free to discuss your disagreements with my opinions over PSN or Xbox Live.
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Could you provide some pictures that show what you are talking about?
alittle proof that it looks better would be nice?
This is not an isolated incident. When ever someone says something that supports the Sony marketing generated illusion that the PS3 is far more powerful than the 360, just about everyone involved with gaming bends over backwards to agree with them, no matter how illogical foolish or @ss backwards the logic may be.
The gaming media for the most part are nostalgic undercover PS3 fanboys. When the two next gen consoles released, hardware experts did write ups on how both consoles are closer to equal in power than anything else. They also had stats and facts to back up their findings.
Yet the entire gaming media ignored them as well, and chose to instead live by the words and marketing hype of a company that is well known to over hype, exaggerate, and even out right lie, only to later under deliver.
Quite disturbing if you ask me.
go to hell .
u really like flatering yourself
It’s not news to hear a multi plat games looks or generally is better on a 360, but technically, anyone saying the performance of the 2 consoles is almost the same is talking BS.
How can a console with less than half of its rivals processing power be equal? It’s like saying a 200bhp engine is equal to a 500bhp engine. You don’t need to be a techy or rocket scientist to see the difference.
PS- look up the word ‘modest’, it may allow you to become a better person.
@darkie Slow your role dude. I know you’re not talking about over hyping, underdelivering, lying.. If so why dont you take you retrospective googles and look up all of the ps3 related news in 06 and 07… The gross amount of media bias towards the 360 was mind boggling… I dont know how many times I whent into a forum and all I could see was.. PS3=$600 blu ray player, or 360 has always and will always have superior multiplats and exclusives… ON top of all of this Microsoft is the worst when it comes to lying… In the early days of the 360 when the rrod was still being written off as isolated incidents ms was quiet, then when it started becoming an epidemic they blamed ye ole consumer stating they didnt allow enough air circulation around the console to then turn around and go yea we umm kinda knew about the rrod before launch but heres a shiny 3 year warranty… Look at the shiny and poof its as if all was forgiven… I know without a shadow of doubt if sony were in this position every media outlet from maine to baja california would be declaring war against sony… As far as games go, yea multiplats are going to look so identical that the differences will be moot… Your so called experts that did write ups of the ps3 tech had no clue what they were talking about.. Even sony doesnt know what bundling the cell with a solid graphics chip was capable of which leads to my next point….ITs the exclusive content that really shows off the differences… One look at kilzone 2 or uncharted 2 speaks volumes about the ps3s power… Spew whatever anti ps3 propoganda you wish but the world as a whole isnt as naive or stupid as most of the mindless drones that follow the flavour of the month media sources here in the states…
proof! or stfu…
This is a lie
AMD proved that it is not the raw power of a CPU that matters, but rather how the power is used. Pentiums of the time ran circles around AMD Athlons in clock speed (aka on paper) but in real life the Athlons out performed the the Pentiums by far.
The Cells impressive stats or numbers are deceiving because they do not translate into actual real world performance. If you had a mind of your own beyond what Sony tells you, you might realize that.
Mopar, when the PS3 was getting bad press, it deserved it, it was not bias media, it was the media doing their job and warning the masses not to run out and buy the bluray player masquerading as a 600 dollar game console. The PS3 launch was horrible, it was overpriced, had no games to make it worth the price, claimed to be the only true HD console but you could not get HD out of it from the box, plus it didn’t upscale, in the absents of rumble, sixaxis was ruining games, and the PSN was garbage. The PS3 had legitimate issues that needed to be reported.
Trash your own country all you want, but it seems that Americans are perhaps the smarter consumers for not running out and buying the PS3 in the numbers that non Americans did, why pay more for a console that is equal at best, and arguably worse.
If PS3 was more powerful all games would run and look superior on it, Killzone and Uncharted look the way they do because Sony is financing the development of those games in an effort to prove the “power of the Cell”. No multiplat developer is going to pay the extra cost in time and effort to get games to run that well on PS3.
Thus MOST games look and run better on 360.
speaking of power if you look at the raw specs 360 comes out on top.blu ray means shit it is only good as a storage medium i doesnt help with graphics that much. infact its one of ps3s bottle necks seperating ram for processor and graphics thats another bottle neck .then theres the cell witch is made for streaming more so than actual computing its amazing they got the ps3 graphics to the standard they did are due to the weaker graphics processor in the ps3. these and other reasons is why i wont by a ps3. ive had a 360 for 3 years and havent had any problems . eveything runs great and im not forced to buy things i dont want . if any body wants proof that blu ray means nothing look at the top pc games at the moment crysis farcry 2 and various others there still on cd dont let blu ray fool you.
“it looks better as the Playstation 3 version has jagged edges.”
oh…. you didn’t mentioned about the loading times on the 360 version or the sync image problems or the faulty framerate of the 360 version.. tsk.. I saw it on the E3 and the 360 version looks better on a still image, but in motion… well….
Yeah bluray was put on PS3 to beat HDDVD, Sony sold out gamers to win a DVD format war. We have yet to see a game that really needs bluray, as opposed to just filling it up with uncompressed crap and video, just as we have yet to see PS3 exclusives running at 120fps and hyper resolutions. Hell, it would be nice to get 60fps and 1080p out of most PS3 exclusives, we don’t even get that.
Power of the cell and bluray are massive jokes played on the consumer.
@11. commonsense
If that’s true, then lol@Gary Francis. If not, then lol@you. But I don’t care which version runs better, I don’t really play fighters.
Maybe if you weren’t so arrogant Mr. Francis, people would listen to you.
Darkie, shut the fuck up. Closet fanboy.
And another thing, this article has no proof whatsoever, and makes rather ridiculous claims. Do me a favor and show us how the game actually looks before you talk shit.
@Darkie
Isn’t Forza3 going to come on multiple disks? And Rage? And gta4 was kept small in scale due to storage restrictions? Aren’t HD movies taking up more space than the DVD format? Isn’t it a possibility that FF13 ships on multiple disks? Didn’t MGS4 take up almost an entire BR? Isn’t the next Rockstar game going to do the same? Considering this and the future hybrid BR’s that will combine HD movies and the counter part game, your statement is an epic fail!
So Sony funded games look better than multiplat games? Well doesn’t that prove the point that the damn console does have the extra umpf? Or would you say it would be better if they didn’t try?
So if it takes longer to make, according to your principle the game doesn’t prove much since other games can me made for cheaper in shorter time? Well this would mean in principle Natal should have no games, Too Human shouldn’t have been made and nor should Alan Wake… and they all have high end budgets too!
Sixaxis was rubbish without the rumble- agreed, but that’s history!
As for your point about being forced to pay for extra, all I can do is laugh!
I wasted money on the HD MS add on, I was over charged for buying a bigger HDD and a headset! Oh and I have to buy an overpriced MS wifi adaptor and then pay more for my goldmembership!
I bought my ps3 for £300 brand new with 4 games. That includes wifi, BR, Blu Tooth, wireless pad ( no batteries required), the sixaxis has awesome motion controls, it has a built in web browser so I can watch movies for FREE and access any site I want. This doesn’t include any of the extra features that are just as brilliant and there are plenty more to name!
The bottomline is, I have both consoles. Multiplats mostly are better on the 360, but the ps3 exclusives outshine anything on the 360. Whether it is something as simple as Flower or something as big as Killzone2, the console delivers.
I believe that most of you fanboys are pissed off because Darkie over there makes perfect, coherent, and logical sense. He didn’t even have to bash your precious PS3 verbally, Sony’s lame attempts did that for you.
I love the people that retort “Shut the fuck up Darkie, you fanboy.” You can tell you hit a nerve with those people. They’re just frustrated that their stuck with an inferior console.
Take a look at all the E3 videos and stage demos. Notice what controller 99% of devs were holding. That’s right fella’s, Big White.
Suck it Fanboys!
i’m not shocked at this, the proof is in the pudding guys, all that sony marketing bullshit is coming back to bite them in the ass, after the lies and deceitful marketing, developers are slowly uncovering the truth that both consoles are just about equal with a few advantages and disadvantages over each other,
While Sony still wants to keep gamers fooled under the notion that the ps3 is so much more powerful than the 360, heck some actually believe it’s a full generational leap over the 360, it’s becoming more apparent that the 360 is just as capable or even more so in some cases
We’re almost going on 3 years since the ps3 has been released, if the ps3 was so much more powerful, how come multiplats either look exactly the same or slightly better on 360? Didn’t xbox versions of multiplats run circles around ps2 versions? I guess it didn’t matter much back then, And now we have a case where there is no viable excuse to proclaim how the 360 is gimping or dumbing down a game that could’ve been otherwise superior on superior ps3 hardware lol, the arcade version was practically a ps3 build, built from the ground up to use the SPUs, They needed the extra power to apply a full realtime post processing filter that has never been applied in any fighting game ever, Real time object motion blur is an ambitious feat for a 60 fps and so they had to push ps3 hardware to achieve this, At the beginning, even Namco themselves were under that cloud of 360 inferiority, they were even doubting themselves that the 360 would even be able to handle it in the first place, but alas, with time, the results speak for themselves, The same thing happened with Square Enix, and now we have a fully playable FFXIII build that looks and run 100% identical to the ps3 build which was built to push ps3 hardware
And what do sony and its defense force resort to in these cases? Rely on the most illogical argument of comparing exclusives running on completely different engines by completely different developers, lol, The fact that Sony has the most talented first party developer powerhouse should ring a bell as to why ps3 exclusives usually have better art design and superior overall looks, Microsoft and Nintendo’s first party pale in comparison, So it’s kind of unfair to judge a console’s potential when each company has non comparable resources and developer talent, Even then the 360 managed to churn out one of the best looking games of its time with a third party super dated engine that doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface of maximizing the 360’s potential
The only way to fairly compare both systems is in the multiplatforms, Last gen, even with ps2 as the weakest console, the magicians over at Sony were still able to churn out God of War 2 and Shadow of Collosus which dwarfed exclusives on the slightly more powerful gamecube and rivaled the exclusives of the far superior xbox, So again, it’s only obvious that with both systems equal in power, ps3 exclusives will still look better, Even then, games like Alan Wake, Mass Effect 2, Forza 3 and Convinction and even multiplatform Kingdom Under Fire 2 and Lost Planet 2 are beginning to show the 360’s impressive graphical capabilities,
I’m 100% sure that if the super talented Guerilla Games, Naughty Dog, ICO and Santa Monica had a crack at 360 hardware, they could work wonders and for all we know even produce better looking exclusives than what we have now from the ps3, It’s funny how most ps3 ppl talk about how certain exclusives can’t be done on 360 hardware, How can be you be so sure? I’m sure that even 99.9% of said gamers don’t even have the slightest clue how development works and that it’s all just a marketing technique to give the ps3 a significant competitive advantage, Of course, Sony is not lying when they say only possible on ps3 hardware, but it’s a half truth, Microsoft would be just as right as saying Alan Wake is only possible on 360 hardware
Also for the 360 fanboys, 360 isn’t more powerful than ps3, heck, it’s still using dvd9, not that it would make a difference in graphics but the ps3 is still a beast that can outperform the 360 in specific benchmarks, They just do some things better than each other, Hence, why not every multiplatform is superior on the 360 and some are even slightly better on the ps3, Even Crytek confirms this with their new Cryengine 3
/end rant
HatersGalore, shut the fuck up as well. Inferior console? Your damn console has games with two disks and is still using DVD9 technology! How is the PS3 inferior?
Dumbass.
You 360 fanbrats needs to get laid.
Look at the 360 fanatics going crazy at a multiplatform game as usual. I bet if they tried comparing 360 exclusives to PS3 exclusives, they couldn’t do it.
And theox2g6, you’re an idiot. EXCLUSIVES is what shows the power of your console, not multiplatform games. The only reason why multiplatform games looked better on the 360 is because developers would develop on the 360 first without realizing that they should develop on the PS3 first so that both games look the same.
Keep fooling yourselves 360 fanboys. Your console isn’t superior.
You guys are fucking crazy.
you cant prove any thing by your talking like that.. we need a screenshots!
“NathanCipher Said,
you cant prove any thing by your talking like that.. we need a screenshots!
Posted on June 8th, 2009 at 11:12 am ”
yes, he can put screenshots and say “dur hur hur itz better teh 360 version lookz at teh jaggiez” but he will NEVER put the video of both, maybe they will fix the 360 version but “teh jaggiez” is something the 360 version “fix” for the upscaling chip of the HDMI video output of the 360, not because the 360 is an “ubber machine”
@duuur
you’re the idiot for lacking a proper logical rebuttal to my perfectly valid argument, You’re contradicting yourself now, You’re saying the only reason that 360 versions of games are superior is because they’re designed on 360 first then ported, That in itself has conquered your entire argument of ps3 superiority, Why? Because just like Tekken 6, there have been several games that were lead platform and built on the ps3 first and ported to the 360 like Mirror’s Edge, Dead Space and FFXIII, With Tekken 6, the arcade version is pretty much a ps3 build in terms of schematics, So how come the ported 360 version is either performing on par or better with ported ps3 native code if the ps3 is so much more superior?
You can’t compare exclusives because they are made by different developers on different engines, who’s to say that if those same ps3 developers such as Naughty Dog, Santa Monica etc. got to work on 360 hardware that they won’t get the same or better results? Until I see those developers or developers of similar skill and experience build an engine from the ground up to make full use of the 360 instead of regurtitating the crappy old Unreal Engine, I’ll reserve my judgement, Even then, it’s evident that the moment a 360 developer decides to use a half decent engine, it produces splendid results that keeps shattering the myth that the 360 is inferior and maxed out since Gears of War, Look no further than the early footage of Lost Planet 2, Forza 3, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Convinction, Mass Effect 2 etc.
Again, if the quality of exclusives is the only way to measure the power of the system, tell me why exclusives of the far inferior ps2 last gen like God of War 2, Shadow of the Collosus ran circles around exclusives of the more powerful gamecube? And they also managed to rival exclusives of the far more powerful xbox, How was that even possible? Even with those exclusives on ps2 being some of the best looking games across the board of the generation, it didn’t change the fact that the ps2 was the inferior machine and everybody knew this for a fact, We had to look no further than the perspective of the actual engineer’s who designed the systems themselves and the performance on multiplatform games, For example, Resident Evil 4 was far more superior on the gamecube than on the ps2, Also, every multiplatform on xbox looked far better and had higher native resolution than the ps2 version,
The point is hardware inferiority didn’t stop the ps2 from still producing some of the best looking games, It was the sheer talent that Sony had at its disposal in its first party powerhouse, I believe if those guys can make God of War 2 graphics on POS ps2 hardware, they can work wonders with any hardware, even the 360, So again, even if ps3 was the crappiest machine on earth, those developers would still find ways to design amazing looking games, It’s all about being smart and using visual trickery and artistic design to overcome the system’s bottlenecks
If you want to continue to live in denial that your ps3 is 10x more the powerful than the xbox 360, that’s ok, but when a lot of third party developers least likely to be unbiased are saying both systems are roughly equal in terms of peak power and even some of the engineers who designed both systems are saying the same thing, it’s hard not to concur from a logical standpoint, As it stands, the ps3 costs more and Sony and its fanboy crusade need a way to justify the higher price point, If I were a Sony fanatic, I would rather brag about the fantastic developers that Sony has rather than the hardware which is barely a valid comparative reflection of the games coming out, It’s funny how last gen, hardware and graphics didn’t matter to playstation gamers, but now the tables have turned
@ duuur
you’re also an ever bigger idiot for not even reading through my entire post and assuming me to be a 360 fanboy, if you read the last paragraph of my post
I’ll quote it for you
“Also for the 360 fanboys, 360 isn’t more powerful than ps3, heck, it’s still using dvd9, not that it would make a difference in graphics but the ps3 is still a beast that can outperform the 360 in specific benchmarks, They just do some things better than each other, Hence, why not every multiplatform is superior on the 360 and some are even slightly better on the ps3, Even Crytek confirms this with their new Cryengine 3″
I clearly called out the 360 fanboys who keep touting the 360 as superior, which is also bullshit, Both systems have their advantages and disadvantages over each other, If you’re too thick to realize that or can’t take the double standard fanboy goggles off, I don’t care, but as it stands, the facts and logic seem to agree more with my viewpoint that anything else, It’s a neutral situation where nobody has credible bragging rights over the other, I can rag on about the feature of the Cell BE or the unified shader memory system of the 360 but this will get me nowhere with the immature fanboys who lack comprehension about any of these things
Oh boy! I can’t wait for the FFXIII comparison.
I actually thought this article was going to point out a legitimate flaw that was evident to some one who played both versions at E3, not some random nonsense about ‘jagginess’ and the 360 version looking better.
All other E3 review/previews mentioned nothing of jaggies and the 360 version ‘looking better’. They stated both unfinished games looked identical. Now who do I want to believe?
A blogger who just wants hits on his site or people who actually compared the games unbiasedly?
if there’s less jaggies on the 360, its because its probably got on msaa 4x or higher and antialiasing. ps3 games don’t seem to use antialiasing or antistrophic filtering as much as the 360 because of some hardware issue on the ps3. That by no means makes T6 look better on 360, unless that is the single and only flaw faced by the ps3 version.
now that being said, it wouldn’t be the first time the ps3 version as suffered “jagginess” in comparison to the 360 version; DMC4, SC4, SF4…the list goes on. However when it comes to the exclusive titles, the ps3 blows the 360 out of the water in my opinion. Games like Gran Turismo and Uncharted 2 remain as benchmarks in the industry (IMO), but as was said earlier, developers don’t have the financial resources to better utilize the ps3 hardware, which is why multiplats almost always trail the 360 counterpart.
Show me a game on the 360 that equals killzone 2 in graphics, then we will talk about the platforms being equal in that department (of course games like Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, God of War 3, and others will also have to be matched). For a system that is easy to code for, and has been in developers hands longer, if the machines were truly equal surely one game would have reached this level, no?
Show me Uncharted 2 on XBOX 360 and I will bet you that it too will look better on the XBOX 360 than on the PlayStation 3. Lucky for Sony, Naughty Dog and the rest of their 1st party develop exclusively for PlayStation 3 cause otherwise, we’d be seeing the same result happening from them as well.
Oh god not one of these articles again. What the hell are you all so worked up about? It is only a game and I say this as a gamer who has been gaming for 21 years now. Relax people! Ok sometimes it is fun to go all primitive on each other about their console but after all it is just a game. Soon when people learn how to use PS3 the games will almost all be made multi-platform. Maybe one day xbox doesnt have enough steam and PS3 will continue or it can go in the other way around BUT you shouldn’t forget why we game. Because of fun (and some WOW players cause is the lack of life) but in the end everyones gaming needs will be satisfied. Now get hell off online and go play.